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	<title>Comments on: What is &#8220;Sustainably Digital?&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on teaching, technology, and maintaining sanity</description>
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		<title>By: Ben Wildeboer</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/01/29/what-is-sustainably-digital/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wildeboer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clay: The relative ease with which your networked learning model can be implemented hasn&#039;t been lost on me. I also feel that unnecessary grading &amp; &quot;rubricization&quot; focuses students more on earning the grade than serious learning. My dilemma is that there is a big focus on learning being &quot;measurable.&quot; While I am sure there will be ample evidence of learning in your networking project, many higher-ups like to use standardized tests to assess learning- which is not a good tool to measure most authentic learning. I guess what I&#039;m getting at is I wonder if there&#039;s a middle ground to take that might persuade admin skeptics to support a non-traditional class such as yours. Or...is there no acceptable middle ground? Part of &quot;sustainable&quot; for me is a plan that would be supported (or at least allowed). Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate your participation!

@Diane: Perhaps I should clarify a little. I do not feel that technology is the only tool for student learning. I have implemented many projects that require no direct technology (mousetrap cars, pipe insulation roller coasters, etc.) that I feel are excellent and real paths to student learning. However, I feel that at this point in my career I have developed a mastery of that format. I see the inclusion of technology as a huge tool that I don&#039;t feel I&#039;m using to its full potential. Also, the current landscape in education isn&#039;t totally in support of some internet-based tools (read: blogs, wikis, twitter, etc.), while I easily get wide support for implementing more traditional projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clay: The relative ease with which your networked learning model can be implemented hasn&#8217;t been lost on me. I also feel that unnecessary grading &amp; &#8220;rubricization&#8221; focuses students more on earning the grade than serious learning. My dilemma is that there is a big focus on learning being &#8220;measurable.&#8221; While I am sure there will be ample evidence of learning in your networking project, many higher-ups like to use standardized tests to assess learning- which is not a good tool to measure most authentic learning. I guess what I&#8217;m getting at is I wonder if there&#8217;s a middle ground to take that might persuade admin skeptics to support a non-traditional class such as yours. Or&#8230;is there no acceptable middle ground? Part of &#8220;sustainable&#8221; for me is a plan that would be supported (or at least allowed). Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate your participation!</p>
<p>@Diane: Perhaps I should clarify a little. I do not feel that technology is the only tool for student learning. I have implemented many projects that require no direct technology (mousetrap cars, pipe insulation roller coasters, etc.) that I feel are excellent and real paths to student learning. However, I feel that at this point in my career I have developed a mastery of that format. I see the inclusion of technology as a huge tool that I don&#8217;t feel I&#8217;m using to its full potential. Also, the current landscape in education isn&#8217;t totally in support of some internet-based tools (read: blogs, wikis, twitter, etc.), while I easily get wide support for implementing more traditional projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Quirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Quirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a thought...think less about integrating technology and more about what changes you want to see in student learning then apply the best tools for the job.  I think that&#039;s the direction that Clay Burrell is more or less headed in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a thought&#8230;think less about integrating technology and more about what changes you want to see in student learning then apply the best tools for the job.  I think that&#8217;s the direction that Clay Burrell is more or less headed in.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/01/29/what-is-sustainably-digital/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you pegged the gist behind what, in retrospect, seems a title open to megalomaniacal connotations.  I want to &quot;make history&quot; by pushing the open integration in &quot;sustainable&quot; ways, and also &lt;i&gt;networked&lt;/i&gt; ways, that I hope will have value for educators everywhere who need persuasive  examples of what is possible.

My fear, right now, is this, though: that even the people who read me don&#039;t get that &quot;sustainable&quot; ease of the networked learning model I&#039;m trying to create (ie, labor-NON-intensive, &quot;unschooly,&quot; &quot;realistic...expectations of teachers and students,&quot; in your words).

And if they don&#039;t get it, my experiment fails. Because I&#039;m depending on my network to help it succeed.  

In other words, I fear the network puts on its schooly lenses when it reads about networking with students, and envisions all the rubrics and lesson plans and grading and time-consuming stuff that is precisely what we don&#039;t bother with in our own networked learning.

Ach, I&#039;m rushing and disorganized here - at school, lunchtime - so sorry for the jumble.

Enjoying your writing very much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you pegged the gist behind what, in retrospect, seems a title open to megalomaniacal connotations.  I want to &#8220;make history&#8221; by pushing the open integration in &#8220;sustainable&#8221; ways, and also <i>networked</i> ways, that I hope will have value for educators everywhere who need persuasive  examples of what is possible.</p>
<p>My fear, right now, is this, though: that even the people who read me don&#8217;t get that &#8220;sustainable&#8221; ease of the networked learning model I&#8217;m trying to create (ie, labor-NON-intensive, &#8220;unschooly,&#8221; &#8220;realistic&#8230;expectations of teachers and students,&#8221; in your words).</p>
<p>And if they don&#8217;t get it, my experiment fails. Because I&#8217;m depending on my network to help it succeed.  </p>
<p>In other words, I fear the network puts on its schooly lenses when it reads about networking with students, and envisions all the rubrics and lesson plans and grading and time-consuming stuff that is precisely what we don&#8217;t bother with in our own networked learning.</p>
<p>Ach, I&#8217;m rushing and disorganized here &#8211; at school, lunchtime &#8211; so sorry for the jumble.</p>
<p>Enjoying your writing very much.</p>
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