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	<title>Comments on: As promised: Presentations Before and After</title>
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	<description>Thoughts on teaching, technology, and maintaining sanity</description>
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		<title>By: Ready for day 1 &#124; Sustainably Digital</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>Ready for day 1 &#124; Sustainably Digital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my new position, I feel (mostly) ready to go for day one. As part of my continuing crusade against my previously poorly designed presentations and handouts, I decided to peruse what my blogosphere (the one in my aggregator) had to say about [...]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my new position, I feel (mostly) ready to go for day one. As part of my continuing crusade against my previously poorly designed presentations and handouts, I decided to peruse what my blogosphere (the one in my aggregator) had to say about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative searching on Flickr CC...search by adjectives instead of nouns.

I heard it from someone and it&#039;s helped immensely.  Really gets &#039;em thinking about what they&#039;re message(s) may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative searching on Flickr CC&#8230;search by adjectives instead of nouns.</p>
<p>I heard it from someone and it&#8217;s helped immensely.  Really gets &#8216;em thinking about what they&#8217;re message(s) may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wildeboer</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wildeboer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dan It&#039;s funny you mentioned the title slide. I&#039;ve actually already added the old title slide to the new presentation. Especially when posted side by side, the old title looks a lot better. The picture is cool, but the cool Star Wars-ish font doesn&#039;t hurt...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan It&#8217;s funny you mentioned the title slide. I&#8217;ve actually already added the old title slide to the new presentation. Especially when posted side by side, the old title looks a lot better. The picture is cool, but the cool Star Wars-ish font doesn&#8217;t hurt&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Presentations: Before/After</title>
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		<dc:creator>dy/dan &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Presentations: Before/After</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] edubloggers, Damian Bariexca and Ben Wildeboer, posted classroom presentations within minutes of each other, both having updated them for student [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan Meyer</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really good modifications.

In the original you have that planet shot running through the entire presentation, which got flat after awhile, as you obvious noticed.

Personally, I prefer the title screen of the original to the stripped-down monochromatic revamp.  It&#039;s just a cool picture &#039;s all.

Good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really good modifications.</p>
<p>In the original you have that planet shot running through the entire presentation, which got flat after awhile, as you obvious noticed.</p>
<p>Personally, I prefer the title screen of the original to the stripped-down monochromatic revamp.  It&#8217;s just a cool picture &#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wildeboer</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Wildeboer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Penelope It&#039;ll take me quite a while to update mine as well. I have a large number of bulleted presentations that will probably take longer than just this school year to roll over into better designs. As for student response, at this early stage I feel as if students are complaining because it requires them to actually pay attention during a presentation instead of simply copy off the screen and let their minds wander elsewhere. I definitely need more experience utilizing this format before I can draw any definitive conclusions.

@Mathew The point was not necessarily to make it  impossible to follow the content sans narrative. The idea was to create a presentation that actively engaged the students instead of allowing them to half-sleep through it and still get all the content written down. I&#039;d agree that bullet points aren&#039;t evil themselves. However, given their excessive misuse, I&#039;d prefer to eliminate them from my presentations entirely. That&#039;s just my personal preference, and shouldn&#039;t be taken as a proclamation against all people who choose to use them. I just worry that using a few bullet points with short phrases easily turns into the same old thing.

@J.D. Thanks for the great resource! I checked it out, and it&#039;s certainly easier than using Flickr&#039;s search. Good luck on your conversion process. I&#039;d love to see examples if you can put them online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Penelope It&#8217;ll take me quite a while to update mine as well. I have a large number of bulleted presentations that will probably take longer than just this school year to roll over into better designs. As for student response, at this early stage I feel as if students are complaining because it requires them to actually pay attention during a presentation instead of simply copy off the screen and let their minds wander elsewhere. I definitely need more experience utilizing this format before I can draw any definitive conclusions.</p>
<p>@Mathew The point was not necessarily to make it  impossible to follow the content sans narrative. The idea was to create a presentation that actively engaged the students instead of allowing them to half-sleep through it and still get all the content written down. I&#8217;d agree that bullet points aren&#8217;t evil themselves. However, given their excessive misuse, I&#8217;d prefer to eliminate them from my presentations entirely. That&#8217;s just my personal preference, and shouldn&#8217;t be taken as a proclamation against all people who choose to use them. I just worry that using a few bullet points with short phrases easily turns into the same old thing.</p>
<p>@J.D. Thanks for the great resource! I checked it out, and it&#8217;s certainly easier than using Flickr&#8217;s search. Good luck on your conversion process. I&#8217;d love to see examples if you can put them online.</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Williams</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use a lot of CC pictures off of Flickr. http://flickrcc.bluemountains.net is a great place to search for them and it gives you the attribute with the picture. It makes it easier for me.

Great presentation. I&#039;m slowly trying to go through all mine and change them around a bit to make them more visually pleasing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use a lot of CC pictures off of Flickr. <a href="http://flickrcc.bluemountains.net" rel="nofollow">http://flickrcc.bluemountains.net</a> is a great place to search for them and it gives you the attribute with the picture. It makes it easier for me.</p>
<p>Great presentation. I&#8217;m slowly trying to go through all mine and change them around a bit to make them more visually pleasing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 14:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your second version is much better than the first.  

However, I disagree that the point was &quot;not [to] be able to follow the content without the narrative.&quot;

The point was to make your presentation a visual representation compliment what you were presenting orally so that visual learners could process information you were presenting as well as auditory learners.  

I believe you did that but the point wasn&#039;t to make it hard to follow.  I also am not sure that we have to obliterate all bullet points.  Bullet points with one or two words, or short phrases of key points which are truly important could be very effective in conveying information in combination with the visuals you&#039;ve presented.  Just because bullet points have been badly used in the past doesn&#039;t mean we have to eliminate them completely.  

Your students may have a point when they&#039;re asking for those bullet points.  If your presentation makes it &quot;easier to take notes&quot; and makes it comprehensible to visual learners then you have a winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your second version is much better than the first.  </p>
<p>However, I disagree that the point was &#8220;not [to] be able to follow the content without the narrative.&#8221;</p>
<p>The point was to make your presentation a visual representation compliment what you were presenting orally so that visual learners could process information you were presenting as well as auditory learners.  </p>
<p>I believe you did that but the point wasn&#8217;t to make it hard to follow.  I also am not sure that we have to obliterate all bullet points.  Bullet points with one or two words, or short phrases of key points which are truly important could be very effective in conveying information in combination with the visuals you&#8217;ve presented.  Just because bullet points have been badly used in the past doesn&#8217;t mean we have to eliminate them completely.  </p>
<p>Your students may have a point when they&#8217;re asking for those bullet points.  If your presentation makes it &#8220;easier to take notes&#8221; and makes it comprehensible to visual learners then you have a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: Do I Dare Disturb the Universe? - &#187; Extreme Makeover: PowerPoint Edition</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-24</link>
		<dc:creator>Do I Dare Disturb the Universe? - &#187; Extreme Makeover: PowerPoint Edition</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] online (including some from yours truly!) to upgrade a slide deck about basic Earth structure. His blog post includes an &#8220;Extreme Makeover&#8221; like before and after look at his entire slide [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] online (including some from yours truly!) to upgrade a slide deck about basic Earth structure. His blog post includes an &#8220;Extreme Makeover&#8221; like before and after look at his entire slide [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Penelope Millar</title>
		<link>http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/02/13/as-promised-presentations-before-and-after/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Penelope Millar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is all the rage... I have been trying to upgrade my presentations, although I get further with some than others, and I&#039;m not good at that style. However, since I teach modern history, at least I have tons of photography, paintings, posters, video, music, etc from the time to work with!

Your comment about the student response has been true for me too. How have you responded to it? I&#039;m very curious because right now I&#039;m trying to figure out the balance on this one with my inclusion classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is all the rage&#8230; I have been trying to upgrade my presentations, although I get further with some than others, and I&#8217;m not good at that style. However, since I teach modern history, at least I have tons of photography, paintings, posters, video, music, etc from the time to work with!</p>
<p>Your comment about the student response has been true for me too. How have you responded to it? I&#8217;m very curious because right now I&#8217;m trying to figure out the balance on this one with my inclusion classes.</p>
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